Well, at least on Mac OS, the fact that Squeak doesnât work right off the bat is probably a turnoff for most users, especially since there donât seem to be any instructions on what to after you get this (I just tested this):
I mean, it's a 32 bit app (running on Mac OS 10.13.4) and you can't save the image. What good is it? It's worse than non-functional. It seems to me that a lot of people would just give up on it. I'm still running 4.6 because at least it works on Mac OS without having to screw around, trying to figure out what does work. And doing things not related to programming is what the small Squeak community obviously wants beginners to do. If Squeak was a so hard to use back in 2000, I would have abandoned it immediately.
On May 31, 2018, at 12:24 AM, "H. Hirzel" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/31/18, John Pfersich <***@mac.com> wrote:
I think the AIO causes more problems than itâs worth. Does it work in
Windows better than it does in Mac OS and Linux? I hope so, because it only
works for rank beginners on the latter platforms.
This is the question of the target user group.
As Bert mentions Etoys-to-go on a pen drive (use your environment in
school, e.g. Mac and at home Windows-PC) _is_ an issue. But as I just
write in the previous mail probably it has to be put on the
back-burner at the moment ....
The user group of "beginners" is also the one which is the largest
group of users!
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On May 30, 2018, at 07:59, Tobias Pape <***@gmx.de> wrote:
On 30.05.2018, at 15:30, H. Hirzel <***@gmail.com> wrote:
Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:14 AM
AIO provides a compact example file of everything needed to deploy an
application on each of the top platforms. For no more than its
instructional value, it is something worth keeping, IMO.
The AIO _is_ the application. Good to run off a pen drive as well in a
platform independent way.
It does not need to be built regularily.
Just for the release is fine.
But the AIO is impractical.
Eg, for OSX we _must_ force users now to _move_ the .app bundle before
starting it the first time, else things just do not work. The only viable
Way I see for that is building read-only disk images, so that people must
move the app.
However, nobody else can use DMGs, so we have two things already:
And now that snaps (https://snapcraft.io/) enter the stage for linux, we
have at least to _consider_ that, too.
And when signing comes into play, this is getting too complex for me.
I completely the understand the desirability of a portable app, but given
we;re not a near-stateless browser and given our "workforce", I don't see
this happen reliably in the forthcoming time.
On 5/30/18, David T. Lewis <***@mail.msen.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 07:22:28AM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
On 30.05.2018, at 01:40, Edgar De Cleene <***@gmail.com>
On 29 May 2018, at 15:42, karl ramberg <***@gmail.com> wrote:
Making it easier to find and download new VM builds should be a
It's quite hard to find a recent VM following links from squeak.org
This scared beginners
All in one should have the most stable and recent
Let's face it: the All-in-ones are dead.
Apple makes it harder than ever and for linux we should have start
building platform packages long ago.
This topic deserves a new subject line, and it would be great to get
more input regarding who prefers using the All-In-One distribution for
regular use, versus other approaches for organizing their image and VM.
My personal view is that the All-In-One is a valuable enhancement to
the basic image and VM downloads. I do not think that it is practical
to maintain it as the primary release artifact, but I do think that we
should provide it, as best we can, in addition to the primary image and
VM release downloads.